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Comment by Al Neumann on April 28, 2011 at 9:41am

Hey guys,

I could use a little bit of help here on some of the discussions taking place on brown, clear green, and swamp pool water. I've been mentioning using Sea Klear for metal removal on a variety of discussions. The current discussion is happening on Richard Falks discussion on phoshates that has evolved into a metal removal discussion with the CuLater product.  How about some help from the tech people over here, and taking a more active role in either agreeing with or correcting me in this discussion?

 http://www.poolgeniusnetwork.com/group/waterchemistry/forum/topics/...

Comment by Al Neumann on March 26, 2011 at 9:14am

Terry,

I was hoping you would take an active role in some of these discussions. As stated before, I’ve been using Sea Klear for the past 15 years, and my first contact and my primary source of information through the 1st ten of those years has been through Terry.

 

One of the things that Terry forgot to mention was a point that Scott brought up, and that was how easily it is to use. Its solubility in water is instantaneous. All I do is get a scoop of pool water in an empty 5-gal bucket, pour in ½ to ¾ of a bottle of Sea Klear, and throw it in the pool. It is mixed immediately without any stirring. I can go through a case of it myself in about 5 minutes.

 

I  understand that Sea Klear loses some of its effectiveness over time, and it’s degradation is affected by heat and freezing. Not sure about the 2-year timeframe mentioned though, as I still have 20 cases from the last batch of 150 cases that I purchased back in 2006. These remaining 20 cases appear to be as fluid as when I got them; no staining yet in the bottles which is an indicator besides increasing thickness. I haven’t noticed any loss of effectiveness that I can tell. I store them in a dry, dark, cool location, so that must have something to do with it. This is still the 4 in 1 product. I was happy with the deal I made on the purchase, but was disappointed in Lance in that he didn’t tell me that the new formulation was coming out in less than 30 days after I received the shipment. I only use about 30-40 cases a year, and primarily use it for metal removal on new fills, with some maintenance. I have been switching many of my maintenance accounts over to the PRS System, so Sea Klear usage has gone down somewhat. I will probably be re-ordering later on this year, and am excited about the 1 oz per 10,000-gallon formulation that is available now. With9ut the new metal products out now, I need to start a discussion on metal removal, and am wondering why Sea Klear clarifier is now not part of the metal removal program or benefit claim.

 

When we use Sea Klear for metal removal, we are using the 1-gal/ 10,000 gal/ PPM of metal ratio, and follow the procedure we worked out with you in past years. We used to use the Start Up product, until you discontinued it, so now we just add some extra Sea Klear. I’ll try to include some pictures of this walnut colored water I referred to in an earlier comment, as I want to show an example of the effectiveness it has on the filters. With that dosage, our PSI rise on the procedure is less than 1 psi, and tell the customers not to backwash until the filters reach the 10 psi, which is often more than a month later, even on big high use pools with sand filters. When they do backwash, it is just plain nasty…so I don’t think that it is letting any captured metal back into the pool, although now you have me thinking. The easiest way that I can explain this is that the secret of Sea Klear is the chitin, which I have come to think of as being one of the ultimate “green” products out there. While in the pool basin, chitin produces a long straight-chain polymer with an immense molecular weight and very dense electrical charges. This polymer  produces a floc with neutral buoyancy. In the filter it is this long straight-chain that produces a far less compressible floc that doesn’t cake up like the polyacrylamides, (which I guess is the basis of most other clarifiers that forms a compressible cake that will restrict flow through the filter and eventually blind it by balling up). This neutral buoyancy floc eventually finds its way to the gutters or skimmers, and captured by the filters. It forms a loose, open-net floc on top of the filter bed that doesn’t compress. It is a mesh-like dry-type structure that …(much like a nylon stocking). It’s this open net ionic structure still has some ionic exchange properties and filtering ability for a long time after the initial capture on top of the filter bed, which is why the psi doesn’t rise much and filter runs are noticeably extended. The nastiness of the backwash water is showing me that the metal is still on top of the filter bed, even after these extended runs. Sure we could have them backwash sooner, but why waste it. 

Having difficuoaty getting the picture on with this computer. Will try to do it in discussion on metals.

Comment by Scott Tarr on March 25, 2011 at 5:23pm

Terry, 

Thanks for the clarification between standard "thick" clarifiers and your SeaKlear Natural Clarifier...very informative!!

Comment by Terry Arko on March 25, 2011 at 3:50pm

Scott,

The technology of our chitosan in solution is based upon viscosity of the clarifer and as far as performance goes the proper viscosity is important. Because the SeaKlear is a natural clarifier it is biodegradable and viscosity will minimize once it is bottled...as I stated earlier we are experts at working with natural polymers and chitosan liquids in particular. So we have a "standard" production viscosity of SeaKlear Natural Clarifier which allows for two years of effective performance from the date of manufacture. Thickness of the solution goes down over time and also in situations of extreme heat or freezing of the product. That being said it is true that even at a bit thinner solution the SeaKlear still give exceptional performance. It is by the way a positive long chain molecule or a cationic polymer as well. Most other "thick" clarifiers stay so because they are synthetic and usually contain some petroleum distillates. SImply said the thick synthetics use a cationic "goo" to attract negative tiny micron particles. They are effective but the by product of this is scumlines and clogged filters when that coagulated dirty goo sticks to the surfaces.  SeaKlear Natural Clarifier actually forms loose net cationic molecules that effectively pick up particulates without forming the sticky plugging goo. And ours even picks up and removes oils from the water as well. This is a patented process that only SeaKlear Natural Clarifier has. So use of the SeaKlear keeps filters cleaner and operating more efficiently and it does not contribute to nasty scumlines in the pool or a hot tub.

Comment by Scott Tarr on March 24, 2011 at 7:16pm
Does the chitosan allow for a thinner clarifier? Often service professionals will talk about how they can easily squirt the SeaKlear Natural Clarifier into the pool for quick dosing. I always felt that thicker was better and that cheaper products were runny and thus less effective. Is this tied to the chitosan or is it that most other clarifiers are cationic polymers?
Comment by Terry Arko on March 24, 2011 at 9:37am
I have been proud to be a part of the SeaKlear team for over 15 years. I have 35 years experience in the swimming pool industry. The SeaKlear Natural Clarifier previously sold as 4-in-1 Clarifier is one of those unique and innovative products that is truly effective and does what it says. The people behind all SeaKlear products are people of sound scientific thought. We have worked with products for water clarity solutions in the storm water, industrial and recreational fields for over 20 years. We are the experts when it comes to chitosan and natural polymer uses for cleaning and clearing water...there are some imitators emerging in the market but nothing compares to the expertise and quality of the product we put out.
Comment by Richard A. Falk on March 23, 2011 at 10:51pm

As described on the SeaKlear website page Our Commitment:

 

Our first product, SeaKlear Natural Clarifier, is made from all-natural chitosan—a substance derived from shrimp and crab shells. The chitosan we use to create a natural solution for cloudy pool water is recycled waste from the seafood industry. Last year, SeaKlear processed more than 900,000 pounds of shrimp and crab shells that otherwise could have ended up in a landfill. SeaKlear refines this wast and turns it into 100 percent biodegradable, eco friendly pool and spa products that keep your pool and spa clean and clear.

 

Most other clarifiers are cationic (positively charged) polymers.  Some are like the quaternary ammonium algaecide products.  They are effective at attracting negatively charged compounds including cells since they have negatively charged cell walls and many polar molecules.  They are not very effective at removing neutral fairly non-polar molecules though those usually don't dissolve well anyway (i.e. will generally get filtered out or form a film on top of the water).

 

Technically, chitosan also has cationic groups (an amino group that gains a proton above a pH of 6.5) and is polymeric, but is also effective at sweeping up more neutral molecules such as oils as well as heavy metals.

Comment by Scott Tarr on March 23, 2011 at 8:22pm
I hear a lot of great things about your clarifier over competing brands. My company sells our own line of chemicals including clarifier but I have a few service guys who swear by Sea Klear's product. Without giving away the company secret, how is your formulation different?
Comment by Al Neumann on March 23, 2011 at 12:48pm

Allyssa,

We've been using Sea Klear 4 in 1 for metal removal for the past 15 years, and swear by it. Some of our pool fills come in dark walnut brown after shocking from manganese, and Sea Klear turns it cystal clear and blue in one day, without any staining. Love it.

Been using PRS regularly now the the past couple of years. Customers love what it does for their pools. Patrons are amazed. ]

The last 2 times I bought Sea Klear 4 in 1, I got it in 150 case lots, and the last time I got the PRS was in 100-1-gal kits. That should say something for a 1 person company to give an indication on how much I like them.

I will be looking forward to discussions on the PRS System.

 

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