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The "Video Notes" for the VGB and Suction Entrapment seminar given by Ray Cronise, Steve Barnes, and Steven Getzoff. Click the links below to watch the video training sessions.
Solutions for Suction Entrapment Video Part 1
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Interview with Shajee Siddiqui - Jandy Product Developer - On the VGBA
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Legal Solution Discussions with Pool Genius Advisor, Steve Getzoff







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Comment by Scott Heusser on March 9, 2010 at 9:00am
If anyone is interested in reading the letter I sent to my Congressional representatives, send me a message with your email address and I'll get it to you. I'd be interested in reading letters from anyone else as well. Everyone has had a different experience with this Act.
Comment by Lester Eric Brehm on March 9, 2010 at 8:53am
If someone could come up with a form letter or something of that nature, I'm sure we could get a better response back to Congress.
Comment by Scott Heusser on March 9, 2010 at 8:34am
Thanks Wes, but it will take a lot of letters to Congress from all of us. Representatives are understandably hesitant to modify a law that was sold as a way to prevent hundreds of kids a year from being killed. Educate them as to the massive drain this has been on small business, how you have witnessed the bungled interpretation and implementation of the Act and how you as a pool expert would improve pool safety.
Comment by Wes Burdine on March 9, 2010 at 8:20am
Preach it Scott!! Can I get a witness....Couldn't have said it better.
Comment by Scott Heusser on March 9, 2010 at 8:11am
My 12 year old knows more about the Act than the CPSC inspectors, literally. In our hockey travels we have incorporated a lot of inspections and bids. Maybe the future of the CPSC resides in a 12 year old.

The point I am making, when is enough, enough? The CPSC is wasting money with inspections that are meaningless. Why do we as taxpayers continue to dump funding into this? Call and write Congress, let's bring the responsibility for the Act back into the industry.
Comment by Wes Burdine on March 9, 2010 at 7:45am
Well Randy, unfortunately this is what we will be seeing across the country. I suggest you contact the CPSC inspector and discuss with them what you found out. They are usually receptive to the input.
Comment by Randy Lapish on March 9, 2010 at 7:19am
Here's the problem with the CPSC's inspections. They came to a pool in NC and did they inpection, filled out there paper work and said all was in compliance, based on what they could see. I just happened to be on site doing some pump work, did not do the drains, and asked the property manager if they fixed the drains in the spa. She said no, just installed the drains. They installed hayward WGX1048 covers on mounting rings, 3" pipe with no sump with 1" between the pipe and the cover. If they can't see it, they going to be a lot that are passed that are not correct.
Comment by Jeff Gale on March 8, 2010 at 9:58am
One thing we must do as pool professionals is to bring the awareness to residential pool owners. When we work on a residential pool that does not meet code we can become liable if something happens and we were the last professionals to have worked on a pool. We must inform customers that there pool is not incompliance and advise them what options they have for bringing their pool to compliance. If they refuse to bring their pool into compliance we can either refuse to work on their pool or insist that they sign a waiver stating they you had advised them or the non compliant issues with their pool and they do not wish to comply.
Comment by Lester Eric Brehm on March 8, 2010 at 9:33am
Sherri,That's what I like about you, you call it the way you see it. When I heard you speak at Williamsport last year I was really impressed with how you told the pool operators to get it together.It's really up to us in the field to educate fellow pool industry people along with residential pool owners.
Comment by Sherri Trometter on March 8, 2010 at 8:18am
I can't agree with you more that swimming pools have become babysitters and the general public does not understand all the risks involved with the pools. I agree that the VBGA was a residential spa issue and I'm not sure how it spread to the commercial pool. The wading pools are more the danger than the larger pools, but if you make the kiddie pool comply and not the other, there would be some problems there too. On the other hand concerning residential pools/spas, how do you regulate residential pool safety? What I've seen and heard about residential pools are a night mare. I have friends who have a pool and I don't swim in it, because they don't understand water chemistry and keep the chlorine levels so low to save money. Even explaining to them the dangers, they think it can't happen to them.

I had many calls from people who have children using their own pools, called me and I recommended they call their pool people and check to see if their pool drain covers were safe when they heard about the VGBA on the news. This law brought the possible dangers of entrapment of residential pools/spa to the general publics awareness that their pools may not be safe either.

I think where the commercial pools were brought into this is that they have so much liability and someone always looking to make that fast buck from the commercial pools, so it has to start somewhere. Who would inforce residential pools? It's impossible to, but make the commercial pools to be compliant, brings awareness to the residential pool owners, hopefully.

I think we all agree safety is the key, but common sense is never used when laws are made. Working for state government, I can honestly say this is a fact. Persons who don't know anything about the problems of pools, make the laws without consulting the folks who know where the areas the laws should be made. If you work for government, common sense is not required the higher up you go!
 

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