This blog post is about the chemistry of combustion, not the chemistry of the pool and spa water that is being heated.
Combustion:
Pool and spa heaters burn either natural gas—typically methane (CH4) or propane (C3H8). Since both of these fuels are made up of the same basic stuff—carbon and hydrogen, just in different proportions, the combustion reactions are going to be similar. For the sake of simplicity, I will just focus on the combustion of natural gas.
Ideally, the combustion reaction is as follows:
CH4 + 2 O2 → CO2 + 2 H2O (ΔH = −891 kJ/mol (at standard conditions))
In other words, the combustion (i.e. oxidation) of natural gas yields carbon dioxide, water vapor, and a lot of heat.
Water vapor—a common byproduct and its disposal problem:
As noted above, one very common byproducts of combustion is water vapor: Put your hand a foot our two above a heater that is running and it will feel wet from the hot exhaust. If the heater’s combustion chamber and exhaust vent are hot enough, this water will remain vaporized long enough to exit the heater.
Interestingly, one of the key reasons that double wall vent pipe is recommended is not that it keeps the outside of the pipe cooler and thus safer, but that it keeps the inside hotter. A hot inner pipe improves its natural drafting ability due to the fact that hot air rises. The double wall pipe acts as insulation and the exhaust hot. The hot exhaust keeps the water in vapor form as it travels through the vent pipe. If you choose to use single wall vent pipe instead, the exhaust will lose its heat through the single wall pipe. As a result the exhaust will cool and the water vapor inside will condense while still in the pipe. This condensation explains why single wall vent pipe rusts more than double wall pipe.
Low gas volume—a first obstacle to water vapor disposal:
If the volume of gas available to the heater is insufficient to provide for the minimum requirements, the heater may still light, but if it does, it will not burn as hot as it should. As a result, some of the water vapor in the exhaust will cool enough to condense before it rises completely out of the heater. This results in excessive rust-causing moisture remaining in the heater. Low gas pressure also produces an excessively yellow flame that emits a black soot that will stick to and eventually build up on the heat exchanger. Over several months or years, this soot will eventually block the exit of the exhaust. It will also trap excess heat in the heater causing it to become more efficient than it was designed to be. This efficiency is not as good as it sounds as the heater is destroying itself in the process (more on this later).
Excessive water flow—a second obstacle to water vapor disposal:
Heaters are designed with a specific water flow in mind and have automatic valves that control the flow of water through the heater. Some of the better heaters will have two types of these valves. One type of valve is spring operated and is designed to produce a consistent flow of pool water through the heater despite the heater being used with a variety of pump sizes and with different amounts of restrictions due to the filter.
In addition to the pressure operated valve, there is often a thermally controlled valve that is designed to provide a constant heat exchanger temperature. If this thermally controlled valve malfunctions (or is not part of a particular heater’s design—it is absent from the Series One Laars, the Laars Lite, and the new Universal Forced Draft Hayward (UFD)), then the temperature of the heat exchanger will vary as the water heats up. If the initial water temperature is low, so too will be the temperature of the heat exchanger. And, if the heat exchanger is too cool, the water vapor from the combustion will condense on it and “rain” back into the heater. If you see a rusted burner tray on a Laars, this is probably the cause. Hayward claims that their new UFD heater is built so well, that this condensate “rain” will occur, but will not damage anything.
More than 84% efficient—a third obstacle to water vapor disposal:
Have you ever wondered why even some of the best heaters are “only” 84% efficient? Have you wondered why there is a major price jump upwards between these commonly used heaters and the rarely used “high efficiency” heaters? There is a good reason for this and it is all about the disposal of combustion water vapor.
As I said above, a heater’s exhaust needs to remain sufficiently hot for it to keep the combustion water vapor from condensing inside the heater. If the heater transfers more than 84% of its heat to the pool water, the exhaust becomes too cool to carry away this water as vapor. As a result, the water vapor from the combustion cools, condenses, and “rains” back into the heater. The condensing water (H2O) combines with carbon monoxide (CO) to form carbonic acid (H2CO3). As a result, the condensate from a high efficiency heater has a pH that is typically in the 3.5 to 6.0 range.
Efficiency in excess of 84% can come about by design—as in the Laars Hi-E2—or due to an unintended blockage that occurs within a standard heater. Heaters like the Hi-E2 that are designed to be highly efficient are manufactured with stainless steel burners and combustion chamber components to withstand the acidic condensate. Additionally, they have condensate traps and neutralization basins. These basins utilize limestone to neutralize the acidity of the condensate so that it can safely be disposed.
Standard heaters can inadvertently become highly efficient as the result of low gas volume—measured as low pressure with a manometer. Insufficient gas volume produces a flame that emits soot. This soot sticks to the fins of the heat exchanger thereby blocking the passage of exhaust gases. In blocking the exhaust, the soot slows the flow of the exhaust allowing it extra time to transfer heat to the water—thereby resulting in a highly efficient heater. Unfortunately, heaters that become highly efficient in this manner are not designed to handle the acidic condensate. As a result, the acidic condensate attacks the metal components and results in excessive rust and corrosion. These unintended high efficient heaters have only a short life left before they destroy themselves.
Formaldehyde—an occasional nasty byproduct of combustion:
There is one particularly nasty byproduct of combustion that sometimes occurs: Formaldehyde (HCHO, also written H2CO) is one of these. Typically, formaldehyde is a short lived byproduct that quickly oxidizes in the extreme heat of the combustion chamber to form carbon monoxide (CO) and water vapor (H20). The carbon monoxide (CO) then oxidizes into carbon dioxide (CO2). Sometimes, however, if conditions are wrong—if the combustion chamber is not hot enough—the formaldehyde doesn’t get oxidized and exits the heater as a smelly, eye-irritating gas. This mostly happens on low NOx heaters.
The reason for this is that low NOx heaters have blowers that are designed to lower the temperature of combustion—thereby reducing the formation of oxides of nitrogen (NOx) that are known to form in small quantities at certain temperatures. The fans lower the combustion temperature and thus lower the quantity of oxides of nitrogen (NOx) that are produced. Occasionally, some of the gas orifices on these heaters become clogged with spider webs. When this happens, only a fraction of the intended gas actually gets to the burners. As a result, the temperature within the combustion chamber is reduced even further. At this lower temperature, the formaldehyde doesn’t oxidize as it normally does in the combustion chamber and exits the heater. This results in a heater that smells particularly foul and will cause eye irritation. This problem is particularly prone to occur on low NOx style RayPak heaters. See my YouTube video of how to correct this problem.
Conclusion:
Understanding the chemistry of combustion can help when trouble-shooting a heater. The presence of rust—and its location—is a major clue never to be overlooked, so too are noxious formaldehyde odors and sizzling sounds caused by condensate “raining” down on the burners.
Comments
Richard glad you posted photos to see what you got.
You do need have more clearance where the section of vent pipe is close. In the photo where you have quite a bit of space and the wood sheathing is still charred, I noticed the the insulating board is also showing evidence of excessive heat. Not good.
The inside of the double wall vent may be rotted or split at that area allowing the heat to pass through. Also looks like some condensation is forming and is wet at the joint. May want to check the pipe for integrity. When the heater is firing see if that area is hotter than the rest-DON'T TOUCH IT!- just feel from a distance if the ambient heat is more than the rest.
The roof collar or roof jack where the final section comes through to outside, I can see daylight. Roofing supplies have a product that can seal that and take the heat also. Keeps the rain out.
The front panel must accessible with nothing in front. The PVC valve, the conduit with the wire should re-routed for serviceability.
Hopefully the vent cap is set above the roof peak. Trim the tree branches too.
Again, check the install manual for clearances, etc...
Richard, Here is a link to the installation manual for your PowerMax. Page A-4 in the Appendix covers venting. According to the instructions, this heater vents using positive pressure. The instructions call for either single or double wall, but the seams should be sealed since it is positive pressure in the pipe and you don't want the exhaust gases seeping out into the shed. While you could replace your existing vent pipe with Category III vent pipe like Z-Vent, you might also be able to make due by sealing your existing pipe with a sealing cement available at HVAC suppliers designed for that purpose. The seam between the lower single wall vent and the upper double wall pipe might be a challenge. Your double walled B-Vent that goes through the roof calls for a minimum of 1" clearance to combustible materials. It would be good to cut back the plywood around the vent to provide this clearance.
I took some photos of my heater and its vent. As shown from the front panel, it's a purex triton PowerMax 250 with manual controls (2 knobs, 1 switch, some lights, but no LED/LCD -- the temp is high because the heater is turned on/off via a Pentair IntelliTouch control tapped into one of the limit switches). The Pentair MiniMax® NT Low NOx Series manual (which seems closest to the heater that I have) says that the unit has a blower (fan) and that "The MiniMax NT Low NOx heaters are capable of a 360-degree discharge rotation and operate with a positive vent static pressure and with a vent gas temperature less than 400°F.". The pipe coming out of the heater is single-walled, but as shown in this photo, you can see that it appears to become double-walled before it leaves the pool shed (unless that's just an extension of the pipe). You can also see the metal enclosure in the roof and the hole in the wood. This photo shows how the pipe is too close to the wood on one side, close to touching it. This photo shows that even the wood furthest from the pipe appears darker/singed. This photo shows the vent cap above the roof of the pool shed (it was bent in shipment, but not cracked).
Anyway, it's been like this pretty much since it was installed about 9 years ago so it's probably stable. I only brought it up because of the discussion in this thread and was curious as to the specifics of the heater that I have.
Double wall vs single wall vent pipe . . .
Heater vents come in two types 1) Negative Pressure and 2) Positive Pressure.
In a negative pressure vent, the heat from combustion carries the exhaust out of the heater simply because hot air rises. In these vents, you need to keep the exhaust that is inside the vent hotter than the surrounding air so that it drafts properly. Since there is less pressure inside these vents than there is in the room outside any small leak in the pipe will actually pull outside air in and up the vent. The draft hood does the same thing. Draft hoods are used with negative pressure vents. Since the pressure in the vent is lower than the pressure in the room, an installer doesn't have to be too concerned with small leaks on B-vent. Indeed, B-vent simply clicks together in a seal that is not airtight, while single wall stainless Z-vent seals at the seams with silicone o-rings.
In positive pressure vents, the pressure inside the vent is higher than the surrounding pressure of the room. Two factors go into maintaining this pressure differential. First, there is a fan that blows the exhaust into the vent. And, second, the diameter of the vent must be sufficiently small to maintain the positive pressure throughout the vent. The larger the diameter of the vent, the lower the pressure will be. Positive pressure vent pipes for pool heaters like the Max-E-Therm and MasterTemp are generally 4" in diameter.
Be careful not to mix these types in the same vent. This is really tempting in a retrofit situation. For instance, you could start with a 4' section of single wall 4" diameter stainless steel Z-vent out of the heater thinking that you are going to use positive pressure venting. Then, to take advantage of a vent that is already installed from an old heater, you decide to use an adapter to step up to an existing 8-12" B-vent. Unfortunately, for that plan, this larger pipe was designed for negative pressure. When the positive pressure exhaust reaches the end of the 4" diameter pipe, the restriction from the pipe is lessened and the exhaust responds by expanding to fill the now larger size vent pipe.
According to the ideal gas law, as volume increases, temperature decreases. Indeed, it can decrease enough that water in the exhaust condenses out and the exhaust is not hot enough to rise naturally out of the heater. Your connection to a larger vent has created a cold air "plug."
You can do a simple experiment to see this cooling effect for yourself. First, with your mouth fully open, exhale on your hand. It will feel warm. Next, purse your lips like you are going to whistle and blow on your hand. Now if feels cool. It is the same air. The difference is that in the second case, you pressurized the air in you mouth and it expands as you blow out. You are feeling the cooling effect of the ideal gas law.
Richard, if you have a 9 year old Sta-Rite it's probably a Max E Therm. The minmax NT is a rectangular box with Almond colored plastic & aluminum Panels. The Max E Therm is a black dome shape. The Sta Rite has a sensor that reads exhaust gas temperature. With the heater running, press the on button that has the green light next to it (pool or spa heat) & hold it down for about 10 seconds. The exhaust gas temperature will display. 290-350 degrees is acceptable. (Older Sta Rite models only had a switch not a sensor, if your heater is a Sta Rite, but can't display this reading, it means it has a stack flue switch rather than a sensor.)
If you have readings that are on the high side, try slowing the water flow through the heater, as the lower the temperature of the exhaust gas, the more heat is transferring to the water. 50-55 gpm is ideal formost heaters.
Both Minimax NT & Max E Therm heaters are fan assisted draft so as long as they have sufficient air supply they draft well. Max E Therms are supposed to be vented with stainless steel Z vent (single walled).
Probably is single wall vent pipe. It's burning the wood it's making contact with.
You should change ASAP so you don't burn your pool house, your own house or worse your neighbors house.
Fresh air vents should be placed at the bottom of the wall and also near the top to create fresh air circulation.
Manufacturers have a net free air requirement based on the BTU's-should be in install/owners manual. That will determine vent sizes.
It's installed in a pool shed that is insulated (though mostly for sound), but also well-ventilated (passively). It is not heated, but is generally warmer than outside temps. Usually temps won't be below 50F in the shed when it is running at night to heat the pool for the next morning (though outdoor temps might get into the 40's). It is vented through a wood roof and that wood is some areas is darker, probably from the heat. Sounds like it wasn't done properly with a B vent as you described.
Is your heater installed indoors or outdoors?
If it's outdoors, this sounds like you have a typical outdoor vent cap. It helps prevent downdrafts on windy days which can put out a pilot or burners. Nothing can be over the top.
There are single wall pipes.
If it's indoors, a typical draft hood is used. That too is single wall pipe. The remainder of the vent pipe must be double wall material or commonly known as B Vent. With the double wall construction the outer pipe is free of direct heat which allows you to vent through combustible materials, i.e. cabanna roofs, home roofs, etc...
The exiting pipe on a structure's roof must 2' above any structure within a 10' radius. Does include tree limbs but it is advisable to trim accordingly.
All indoor installations require proper fresh air to allow heaters to naturally draft. Clearances are also important. Manufacturers have guidlines for their require clearances but it's best to check with local building/plumbing codes.
Hope this answers your question.
An excellent blog post! I noticed that my 9-year old StaRite (later bought by Pentair) MiniMax NT natural gas heater (80% efficiency; 250K BTU/h input, 200K output) has a vent pipe that gets very hot. Does that mean that it is single-walled? Would it be of benefit for me to insulate it and if so what kind of insulation would be used for this purpose (since it must handle the high temperature)?