Fiberglass Pool Staining

I have a customer who calls me to take care of his pool when he goes out of town twice a year. He has a schedule of the most random doses of stain treatments, algaecides and chelating agents that he uses together to keep his pool water chalky white. Every time I establish a chlorine reading the pool walls turn brown almost overnight and the stains from prior chemicals being poured directly into the fiberglass show up! His chemical instructions completely contradict the manufacturers instructions and everything I think I know about pool water. Any suggestions? This year the cyanuric acid is off the chart,(there are 2 chlorine floaters in the pool at all times in addition to a gunked up in-line chlorinator) the alkalinity remains high and I corrected his calcium hardness reading. 10,000 gallon fiberglass pool with a sand filter. Please help!

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  • felt compelled to re enforce not adjusting extremely low ph too quickly to advoid the plating effect. Thanks Lester for the post.
  • Most stains, if not from the fill water, are caused by the pH being kept too low for an extended time. When someone "The Pool Guy" then comes along and adjusts the chems properly or shocks the pool the minerals drop out on the pool surface or cloud the water.Then you try to explain to the customer that his heatexchanger is in the pool, pucks might not be a good idea, and he tells you he's always had crystal clear water.

  • HELLO ALL! JILL FALLING JUST SHORT OF SOUNDING PREACHY , WE CANNOT ALLOW A CUSTOMERS WILL HOWEVER SCREW BALL TO COMPROIMISE SOUND CHEMICAL ACUMEN. I OFTEN GIVE THOSE LITTLE HOW TO TAKE CARE OF YOUR POOL BOOKLETS THAT ARE LAYING AROUND EVERY WHERE AT DISTRIBUTORS .THERE FREE AND IS THE OL' ADDED VALUE.MAYBE HE'LL READ IT.
    THIS GUY SOUND EXCENTRIC AND I FEAR FOR YOU CAUSE IF HE DAMAGES HIS POOL OFTEN ENOUGH YOU COULD END UP AS FALL GUY.
    IF YOU ARE BUILDING YOUR ROUTE PUT HIM ON THE DROP LIST .NEX T TIME YOU GET A GOOD CUSTOMER DROP HIM. WITH THAT METHOD YOU ARE GONNA END UP W/ A QUICK PAYING GO AHEAD AND FIX IT NO HEADACHE QUICKLY RUN MACHINE.I'VE LEARNED THAT IT DON'T PAY TO BE APEOPLE PLEASER CAUSE SOME FOLKS AIN'T NEVER HAPPY BUT I WOULD GENTLY EXPLAIN WHY I HAD TO DROP HIM. I DON'T DO ANNUAL CONTRACTS FOR MAINTENANCE. IT'S AN AT WILL THING FOR THEM AND ME
  • My experience has shown that the ph is the most important piece of the puzzle with metal stains and fiberglass. I recommend that my customers keep their ph at a max of 7.4, and most of the chelating agents require a low ph to work. I use only the United Chemicals Super stain treat, and it works like magic before your eyes.
  • Robert Fergione said:
    The first line of defense is to always ensure that your chemical levels are in proper range:
    Chlorine Residual – 1.0 to 2.0 ppm.
    :
    Cyanuric Acid – 60 to 80 ppm

    If you only maintain 1-2 ppm FC with 60-80 ppm CYA, then this is not normally sufficient to prevent algae growth without use of a supplemental algaecide (e.g. PolyQuat 60) or phosphate remover (unless the water is already very low in phosphates or nitrates) or borates. The minimum FC to prevent algae is around 5% of the CYA level. The amount of active chlorine (hypochlorous acid) is proportional to the FC/CYA ratio so the minimum algae inhibition level is roughly 1.5 ppm FC with 30 ppm CYA or 4 ppm FC with 80 ppm CYA. Normally in manually dosed pools, the target is higher, around 7.5%, to account for normal variations and losses during the day.
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  • Jill,

    Try SC-1000 from ORENDA TECHNOLOGIES INC., only Disputed through PoolCorp. Stuff, is NOT cheap!! But works GREAT!!!

    SC-1000 is a Scale & Metal Control Chelanting agent.

    Orenda offers Great Tech Support or Understanding.

    www.orendatech.com
  • Jill,
    You need to deal with the stabilizer level first by partially draining the pool, refilling and repeating until stabilizer is correct. You need to be very careful draining a fiberglass pool; most manufactures void the warranty due to the damage that can occur.
    Below is email I send to our customers for staining; good luck

    Metal staining

    The metal staining usually occurs when the pH is out of balance & the chlorine level is high.

    The mistake you are probably making is that you are not removing the metals from the water, you are only removing them from the pool walls and as soon as your chemicals get out of balance (which usually happens when it rains &/or you super chlorinate the pool) the metals go right back to the pool walls. By not removing the metals from the water you are not treating the problem.
    Here is what you need to do.

    1) Get your chemical levels balanced first, including a lower chlorine level of 1.0 to 2.0 ppm.
    (Always deal with metal staining last)
    2) Then use the stain remover to get the metals off the walls.
    3) Wait 24 hrs, and then put in metal remover, which binds with the metal particles in the water and makes them larger so they can be trapped in the filter.
    4) Wait 24 hrs then use a filter aid which typically (depending on brand) is put into the skimmer. This will help trap the smaller (microscopic) metal particles. Back wash & rinse.
    5) Then repeat steps 3 & 4.
    6) Use metal remover weekly or bi-weekly to prevent staining from occurring.

    Use metal remover & filter aid once a month or so as maintenance & it should dramatically reduce staining problems. It is very hard to eliminate completely because of metal levels in rain & Charlotte area water.

    Call me if you want to discuss it in more detail.
    Bob
    Stain Prevention
    The first line of defense is to always ensure that your chemical levels are in proper range:
    Chlorine Residual – 1.0 to 2.0 ppm.
    pH level – 7.2 to 7.6 ppm
    Total Alkalinity – 80 to 120 ppm
    Calcium Hardness – 200 to 400 ppm
    Cyanuric Acid – 60 to 80 ppm

    This should be done before any treatment is attempted. Metal Inhibitor type products should be added after filling or topping off the pool water level, or after heavy rains. Untreated water may stain your San Juan Pool surface. For prevention use a metal inhibitor or stain and scale product. Follow manufacturer’s label directions for proper application.
    NOTE: In many cases depending on the chemical manufacturer, there are different chemical product formulations for either prevention or removal. Make sure you are purchasing the best type of product for your needs. Consult your San Juan Dealer or local pool professional for additional information.
    Stain Removal
    How do I know if the Stain is removable?
    Get a small sample of Ascorbic Acid or use a Vitamin C tablet. Place the sample powder or tablet directly over a small stain (perhaps a step area) if possible with the pool pump off. If the stain around the test area is removed within a couple hours, this indicates that the stain will likely respond to a metal stain removal product.
    Check ph and total alkalinity and bring into proper ranges. Bring your chlorine level to a minimum of 1 ppm. Follow label directions on metal stain removal product for treatment amounts for existing stains. If possible, identify source of staining and follow prevention guidelines. After stains are gone, use a metal inhibitor product on a regular basis following manufacturer’s directions (especially after refilling, topping off, or heavy rains). Slowly bring chlorine level up to proper range (1.0 to 2.0 ppm). High chlorine levels or shocking the pool immediately after treatment may re-stain the surface. Add a filter media enhancement product like Jack’s Magic Pure Fiber to your skimmer. Follow directions & backwash.
    There are also other possible causes for stains, such as stains caused by organics from plants and leaves. Such stains require a different treatment. Consult your San Juan Dealer or local pool professional for further solutions.
    Recommended stain prevention & removal products

    The following manufacturers have more information & available product locations on their websites

    1) ProTeam - Metal Magic

    http://www.proteampoolcare.com/tr_metalmagic.htm

    2) United Chemical Corp. – Pool Stain Treat or Super Stain Treat (try stain treat first, super treat is expensive)

    http://www.swimpool.com/products/pool.htm

    3) Jacks Magic – The Blue Stuff or Purple Stuff for salt pools

    www.jacksmagic.com/


    4) Natural Chemistry - Stain free part #1 Metal free part # 2

    http://www.naturalchemistry.com/Pool/Storeplus/Store/dynamicIndex.asp
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