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Waterfall w/ fire pitt

Posted by Marc L. Brown on December 29, 2009 at 9:38am in Pool Service Topics
First of all I want to wish all a Happy Holiday Season and a Healthy New Year.I am building a waterfall and the customer wants me to put natural gas fire pit/bowels on the top of of it. Has anyone done these? Where do I obtain the parts? How dificult is the installation. I look forward to any help I can get

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  • David Penton January 9, 2010 at 4:42pm
    There is a recent post on this same subject on this site that has alot of great resources and information... Search around a bit to find it (it was within the past 30 days)
  • Michael Norton January 8, 2010 at 12:45pm
    We used a firm out of Vegas for a residential fountain we did here in Denver. Water FX, www.waterfx.net, they supplied burners, igniters, controls, including wind monitor controls and install. Again a larger firm and fairly expensive, but worth the dollars.
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  • Middy Droeg January 8, 2010 at 12:29pm
    I've done it but didn't use bowls. I created pockets in the rocks and ran stainless steel gas lines with key valves. It looks more natural than using bowls. fill the pockets with the rock you use in firepits or you can use glass chunks that are suitable for fire or sand. You do need to put a drain in so rain water doesnt sit in it. I also put flex pipe in the ponds of the waterfeature so that when it is off they drain back to the pool.
  • Marc L. Brown January 1, 2010 at 10:09pm
    Sorry, I did not know the Yellow was called PE. I use that undeerground. In NJ it cannot be used above grade. I must have done 10-12 gas lines this year with it. Trac pipe is a flexanle s/s pipe with a yellow jacket over it. I use it mostly indoors when I am doing an overhead gas line in a celing. You must get certified to use it. What you save in time/labor, you make up for in the additional cost factor. Also, at atlantic city last year I found a supplier who has a flexable sweep. There is nothing to do but slide the yellow pipe into it, bend the flex into shape and continue with a coupler to go into black pipe. I bought a few in 1-1/4,1-1/2 & 2". Unfortunitly I cannot find his name. For sure I'll be looking for him
  • Bruce Wettstein January 1, 2010 at 9:15pm
    Here's a good link, Marc: http://www.plasticpipe.org/gas_pipe/index.html

    That page is pretty specific to gas applications. You can go to the main page for more info on the entire PE product line.

    Hope that is helpful!

    Bruce
  • Bruce Wettstein January 1, 2010 at 9:12pm
    Marc-

    PE is PolyEthylene pipe. It is similar to PVC, but is yellow in color. It is usually sold in rolls that you wrap with a tracer wire to find later if you need to locate it, and the lengths are fused together with a heat gun ("heater") to extend it. You can buy sweeps that terminate at the supply and feature to complete the run. The main advantage to this material is that it does not rot. It is a great product!

    I will see if I can find a link that I can put up in another post for you. Once you use it you will wonder how you ever worked with rigid pipe!

    Bruce

    Marc L. Brown said:
    Do not want to seem stupid but what is PE & whart are you refering to a heater. I'm going to run the pipe up through the rocks and then connect the flame via a s/s hose connector
  • Marc L. Brown December 31, 2009 at 4:50pm
    Do not want to seem stupid but what is PE & whart are you refering to a heater. I'm going to run the pipe up through the rocks and then connect the flame via a s/s hose connector
  • Bruce Wettstein December 31, 2009 at 2:15pm
    Marc- Just curious as to why you wouldn't run it in PE? Some guys don't like to because they don't have the "heater", but there are very good quick connects available now that make it so that you do not need the heater. I would think you'd get much longer life from that than you would from stainless flex.

    Bruce
  • Marc L. Brown December 31, 2009 at 9:47am
    I'm the local gas line installer. I plan to use the flexable stainless steel Trax pipe. Its legal outside as long as it is in a sleeve. I plan to slide it into black polly pipe to curve it through the rocks. I'm an cetrified installer. Then acording to the connections I saw in the install info, use a 18"long standard 3/4" stove type connector. I will be running this past my local pulmbing inspector. Any additional tips will be helpful.
  • Mark Richter December 30, 2009 at 6:34pm
    I have installed fire features in bowls, under water and in waterfalls with gas. Your one the right track with Grand Effects or you might want to talk to a local gas installer that does fireplaces and grills for assistance. I also have used a simple stone pit in the waterfall with drainage, rocks and placed the firelogs in it, an instant cheap fire feature when you want it. Mark
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