New CYA requirements and how to handle

Just wondering how those at PGN are handling CYA levels in their markets.  South Carolina has changed to a CYA level of 100 ppm this year and many service companies are looking for other alternatives to trichlor.  Obviously many markets are using controllers with sodium hypochlorite or cal hypo tabs.  Any input?

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  • Scott,

    Obviously we talk a lot and I will probably talk to you more in depth in person about this.

     

    Knowing that the new regulations were coming, I have kept a close eye on my commercial pools this year. What I have found to work very well for my pools here is I use Cal Hypo granular throughout the week, and if the CYA is getting low or the PH is getting high, I cut back the Cal Hypo and use Tri Chlor tablets in the chlorinator. By using this method, I am able to maintain chlorine at the required levels, as well as keeping the PH balanced without having to use very much soda ash or muriatic acid. It took me a few weeks to get everything set for each pool, but once I saw how the things I did affected each pool I was very easily able to maintain the levels. If I find the CYA is getting too high, I stop using the chlorinator and use cal hypo exclusively and go back to using soda ash/acid as needed to adjust the PH.

  • Scott, 

    I know several service professionals in my market do some of the things you mentioned but surely not all.  As Don said, great suggestions!!

    Scott Heusser said:

    We've dealt with this for years.  It takes smart use of chemicals and adjustment in cultural practices.  I suggest;

     

    A) Vary the use of shock products.  Use cal hypo, liquid, potassium monopersulfate, and by all means minimize the use of trichlor or dichlor based shock.  Choose the one that best suits the situation.  This way you can take advantage of the positive attributes of each while minimizing the downsides, like CYA buildup.

    B) Test chlorine levels and adjust "dumb" chlorinators often, 4-10 times per day.

    C) Adopt practices such as vacuuming to waste to prevent CYA buildup.

    D) Plan on a partial drain(s) and refill(s) during the season.  At least you have a predictable period of down time to deal with, not one where the health inspector shows up, closes you and then you have to call and cancell little Johnny's birthday party.

    E) Install a secondary sanitizer or use enzymes.  This will help reduce the amount of chlorine you are adding, thus stretching times between partial drains.

    E) Install a chemical automation system.  This will reduce chemical useage and slow the CYA issue a bit.

    F) Switch off of Iso's altogether.  Liquid, Gas, Cal Hypo, SCG are all viable alternatives.

  • I believe PPG's version is still exclusive to Leslies...I know it was while I worked for them several years back and haven't heard anything to lead me to believe otherwise.  I like your idea of contracting the customer after selling the feeder at close to cost.  I guess it's the closest thing to creating residual income in the pool industry.  We had a managed pool program for feeders when I worked for Leslie's in Florida.

    Don Parish said:

    Great Suggestions Scott H. 

     

    Scott T.  I think that your best option will be to promote the pulsar tablets.  What has worked for me on the commercial side is to sell the client the feeder at almost your cost but have them sign a contract for the pulsar tablets.  As your familiar once you have the pulsar system installed you cannot use any other type of Cal-Hypo tablet in that feeder.  PPG also has a cal-hypo tablet system that works very well, i'm not sure if it is still exclusive to Leslies though.

  • Great Suggestions Scott H. 

     

    Scott T.  I think that your best option will be to promote the pulsar tablets.  What has worked for me on the commercial side is to sell the client the feeder at almost your cost but have them sign a contract for the pulsar tablets.  As your familiar once you have the pulsar system installed you cannot use any other type of Cal-Hypo tablet in that feeder.  PPG also has a cal-hypo tablet system that works very well, i'm not sure if it is still exclusive to Leslies though.

  • We've dealt with this for years.  It takes smart use of chemicals and adjustment in cultural practices.  I suggest;

     

    A) Vary the use of shock products.  Use cal hypo, liquid, potassium monopersulfate, and by all means minimize the use of trichlor or dichlor based shock.  Choose the one that best suits the situation.  This way you can take advantage of the positive attributes of each while minimizing the downsides, like CYA buildup.

    B) Test chlorine levels and adjust "dumb" chlorinators often, 4-10 times per day.

    C) Adopt practices such as vacuuming to waste to prevent CYA buildup.

    D) Plan on a partial drain(s) and refill(s) during the season.  At least you have a predictable period of down time to deal with, not one where the health inspector shows up, closes you and then you have to call and cancell little Johnny's birthday party.

    E) Install a secondary sanitizer or use enzymes.  This will help reduce the amount of chlorine you are adding, thus stretching times between partial drains.

    E) Install a chemical automation system.  This will reduce chemical useage and slow the CYA issue a bit.

    F) Switch off of Iso's altogether.  Liquid, Gas, Cal Hypo, SCG are all viable alternatives.

  • You guys are fortunate to have plentiful and soft water, Bruce.  I have no idea how you handle snow though! 

     

    Thank you for the info.  It seems that most (if not all) of the "northern states" have good water, but the southern states are cursed with bad.  I am better suited for warmer climes, so I guess I'll keep concentrating on the "lower" states with bad water and warmer weather!



  • Bruce Wettstein said:

    We have the same concerns with the water table on the coast here also, Scott, and other areas as well on occasion. 

     

    I always wonder how the rest of the Country deals with drain and refills.  We have water restrictions, hard water, high water tables, etc. to deal with, but I know that is not the same everywhere.  As we continue to put together different parts of the Country to bring R/O to, different concerns are present in different geographic regions. 

     Almost no drain and refills in Northeast, (Except for indoor pools) Routine winter drawdown, rain and snow melt refill and 50"/yr ave rain here = yearly auto decant of pools, yes we have to add calcium here, can't see a big market for R/O here

    There are great parts of the Country where water is plentiful and calcium levels need to be brought up!  Unheard of here, and I am always amazed at the differences that exist from one state to the next.

    Yes, I agree fully that the seasons, soils, climate, rainfall, water, pool type, are completely different.  I have a 60% vinyl liner pool area, almost no fiberglass, the rest cement.  Water is plentiful, cheap and soft, most customers have wells, water per truckload is pricey 

    Bruce R

  • Are the commercial pools in NY all on either cal-hypo tabs or sodium hypochlorite?

    Bruce R. Roache said:
    NY has long banned CYA in all commercial pools, and yes the health inspectors test for it and mandate dump and refill when found
  • We have the same concerns with the water table on the coast here also, Scott, and other areas as well on occasion. 

     

    I always wonder how the rest of the Country deals with drain and refills.  We have water restrictions, hard water, high water tables, etc. to deal with, but I know that is not the same everywhere.  As we continue to put together different parts of the Country to bring R/O to, different concerns are present in different geographic regions. 

     

    There are great parts of the Country where water is plentiful and calcium levels need to be brought up!  Unheard of here, and I am always amazed at the differences that exist from one state to the next.

  • Bruce, due to the fact that I'm on the distribution side of our business, I am not sure what the cost would be on a drain and refill.  Also, properties at the coast, say Myrtle Beach and Charleston, are apprehensive about draining due to the water table being so high.

    Bruce Wettstein said:
    What's the average cost for a drain and refill by you, Bruce?
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